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because you put the people there that were trying to get a rise out of you in the middle of your narrative. you're great. thank you. that does it for us tonight. we'll see you again tomorrow right here interview that i'm very excited about. good evening, lawrence. >> good evening, rachel. i have the joint statement about their dinner at the white house tonight. would you like to hear it? >> please. >> help me try to figure it out. >> sure. >> we had a productive meeting with the president at the white house. the discussion on daca and enshrining the protections of daca in law and work out a package of border security excludeing the wall that's acceptable to both sides. we also urged the president to make permanent the cost sharing reduction payments a enthose discussions will continue. of course, the last line refers to the affordable care act but it reads there as if the
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president agreed to an enshrining daca in law along with some border security but not the wall. the president according to this caved on the wall. >> they said -- and the phrasing there is we came to an agreement? >> yes! an agreement. worth going over again. okay? we had a very productive meeting at the white house with the president. the discussion focused on da kra. we agreed to enshrine the protections of daca in law quickly and a package of security excludeing the wall. >> hmm. unless they're talking about we meaning nancy pelosi and chuck schumer -- in which case that's not much news, this could be a big deal. i am disinclined to believe anything that donald trump says about his own future behavior or that anybody else says that donald trump has committed to anything about his own future
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behavior until i see the behavior. >> okay. but if they're right, that's a big deal. >> i'm completely willing to agree that he agreed to it at the table with those people. he may never agree to it again. >> right. >> may not agree to it right now seeing this. >> right. and will congressional republicans agree to what he agreed to and tomorrow? >> dropping the wall is manager to get a huge majority votes for in both bodies so that's easy to drop if the king of the wall donald trump wants to drop it. >> i mean, the fact is even if you drop all of the proper nouns from this, they have also just described the fact that think oar moving toward passing the first legislation of this presidency. >> yes. >> no other significant legislation has passed of any kind. so if they have an agreement to pass anything, that itself is a scop. >> only problem here is neither nancy pelosi nor chuck schumer are empowered to bring up that legislation.
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>> right. >> in either of the bodies so having this meeting without the republicans from their counter parts from the republican party makes it -- i don't know. i don't know what it means. >> we'll see if it's still true when we wake up in the morning. >> thank you. >> thank you, lawrence. senator al franken is here tonight in the thick of it in the senate as part of the judiciary committee's investigation of the trump russia connections and get his reaction to the leader chuck schumer's dinner tonight at the white house with president trump and nancy pelosi and what this statement right mean that chuck schumer and nancy pelosi have just relowe'sed. and we'll find out if al franken's co-sponsors of bernie sanders's medicare bill for all means he's running for president and a reporter just returned
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from the u.s. virgin islands and has seen the devastation there up close. we'll get a report on what the american citizens in the virgin islands would like to say to donald trump. and there is a criminal investigation of the deaths of eight patients in a nursing home in hollywood, florida, in the aftermath of hurricane irma. but first, today nbc news exclusively reported that michael g. flynn son of former security mike flynn is a subject of russia probe. michael g. flynn is now the third person reported to be a subject in the mueller investigation. the other two are his father, general flynn and former trump campaign chairmanafort. the inquirely ri is focused at least in part on the work of flynn intel group. the father and son worked closely together, both traveled to russia back in 2015 when general flynn gave a paid speech for the russian television and had dinner with vladimir putin.
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the younger flynn called the report a nothing burger. that was his term. a nothing burger in a tweet tonight. and president trump's lawyer said, quote, this does not impact the white house to any extent with regard to its continuing cooperation with the special counsel. why the focus on flynn's son? possibly to get general flynn to tell investigators anything he might know about collusion involving the trump campaign, legal experts tell nbc news mueller brought on to his team a federal prosecutor known for convincing subjects to turn on associates. any potential criminal liability for michael g. flynn could put added pressure on his father. one former federal prosecutor said the last thing any parent would want is for their child to get in trouble for something they initiated. and in the meantime, more problems for general michael
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flynn today as the "wall street journal" reports that the former national security adviser to president trump promoted a controversial private sector nuclear plant that involved russian companies while he was working in the trump white house. democrats on the house oversight committee want to know more. they say that based on information they received from general flynn's former business partners general flynn did not include meetings and travel dealing with the nuclear plan in his security clearance form and in a letter to general flynn's former business partners asking for more information, the democrats write, it appears that general flynn violated federal law by omitting this trip and these foreign contacts since these violations carry criminal penalty, we are providing the responses to special counsel. president trump continues to rant and brood of james comey and the russia investigation
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that got him fired. today, the white house press secretary said this about james comey's release of his memos of his conversations with president trump. >> yeah, the memos that comey leaked were created on a fbi computer while director. he claims private property but it's an official fbi document, leaking on a sensitive case regardless of classification violates federal laws including the privacy act, standard fbi employment agreement and nondisclosure agreement. i think that's pretty clear and clean that that would be a violation. >> tonight, we have more details about why obama national security adviser susan rice us masked senior trump campaign officials. cnn reports that she was trying to understand in intelligence
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reports why the crown prince of the united arab emirates visited new york late last year without giving the obama administration a customary notification. the crown prince met with general michael flynn, jared kushner and steve bannon at trump tower. that meeting came before the separate effort by the united arab emirates for a back channel communication between russia and the incoming trump white house. joining us, ron clain, a former chief counsel, former chief of staff to janet reno and former chief of staff to vice presidents joe biden and al gore. also with us, matt miller, former spokesman of eric holder and a msnbc contributor. ron, i want to go first of all, i want both of your opinions about what the white house press secretary said today about james comey and was there a possible crime, a violation of law by james comey in the release of his memos of his conversations with the president?
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ron, you first on that one. >> you know, i worked in two white houses and administrations. i worked at the justice department. in any other administration, the attorney general would have been on the phone with the president demanding the firing of the white house press secretary and that would have only been exceeded with the speed with which the white house counsel to insist on the firing of the white house press secretary. it is not the job of the white house press secretary to stand at that pose podium and suggest that the justice department launch criminal investigations against people that the president doesn't like. in fact, that's not the job of any political official in our democracy and not the way a democracy works and there can't be anything more than disgraceful than from sarah sanders in the white house briefing room today. >> matt miller, what about the criminal, possible criminal liability for james comey? >> there's absolutely no criminal liability for him. those memos were not classified. he made clear that he wrote them in an unclassified fashion. the suggestion violating the privacy act is absurd.
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i suppose the argument is vie lated donald trump's privacy. ron is exactly right that i think you would see an attorney general demand that the white house press secretary be fired but i think it's pretty clear sarah sanders didn't come up with this on her own. this goes beyond just what sarah sanders is saying and other people in the white house suggesting that she do this. and look. this is an absolute -- crossing a red line for the white house to do this. james comey is a witness in a criminal investigation against the president and the white house is coming out suggesting that the justice department investigate him and prosecute him when there is no basis to do so. it is an absolute abuse of power on their part. >> and ron, to move back through some of these stories that we have just covered in this introduction, "wall street" reporting tonight that general flynn remained involved in the project. this is that nuclear reactors
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deal. remained involved in the project joining the trump administration in january, discussing the plan and directing the national security counsel staff to meet with the companies involved, the former staffer said. his actions were highly abnormal and not the way things were supposed to go said a former nsc staff member. what are the problems for general flynn in that story? >> well, this story and the other one about general flynn's son show that the facts increasingly finger the flynn family for flim flam ri. this is outrageous behavior by the national security adviser while he is on the president es staff trying to advance a deal that his company that his son also worked for trying to make money of and reminds us that the first scandal in the administration was the fact that the attorney general had to go to the white house and say, hey, you have a compromised official as your chief national security adviser and the white house
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refused to fire him until that became a matter of public record from the press uncovering it. and so, mike flynn is a problem for this administration and the problems just continue to mount. >> i want to put up a list. i want to call it rachel's list. this is a list that rachel put up on in the screen last hour about the things that general michael flynn did do, i should say, did not do. these are all sins of omission and may be crimes. i just want to consider them all here at once. it was kind of stunning to see them on the screen when rachel put them up there. trump national security adviser michael flynn did not disclose russian air cargo company payments, disclose russian software company payments, disclose free moscow trip and payment from russian media, obtain permission to visit moscow and meet putin, disclose payments. disclose russian government contacts. disclose russian sanctions
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conversations. disclose payment for promoting russian nuclear deal. and matt miller, those disclosures were required by law. is there any way as you -- it is just hard to stare at that list and think that there's a way for general flynn to escape legal consequences of this. >> yeah. i think you are absolutely right. look. michael flynn was a walking ethics, legal and national security liability from the day donald trump was elected and he joined the transition until he was finally fired in february after it became public that sally yates gave a warning of him being subject to blackmail. the number of charges he is potentially subject to, first potentially loiing to investigators talking to the fbi, you have failure to disclose income that he received in his -- on his national security clearance applications. you have failure to disclose information as a foreign agent. and not just a subject but edged
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into target status. he has his own legal liability and two ways out of this. one, he turns and cooperates with bob mueller and tell him something about the president or goes to the white house and begs for a pardon. >> and, ron, general flynn's lawyer publicly in a really quite an unprecedented move months ago said the general is absolutely happy to testify about all of this. he just needs immunity. he publicly begged for immunity. >> yeah. well, you know, i think mtd's exactly right here. the flynn camp has two plays. a deal with the special prosecutor where he somehow gets immunity for telling facts about president trump or perhaps don jr. or jared kushner. or, you know, just hoping donald trump pardons him and commits the outrageous act of basically extending the presidential power to try to insulate himself from investigation. the list of things that mike flynn didn't do is only perhaps
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exceeded by the list of things that mike flynn did do and both lists are going to get him in very serious trouble before this is over. >> but, matt, the trouble is, if the president were to pardon general flynn now, general flynn then must testify about everything he knows because it's impossible for him to self incriminate himself. >> yeah. that's right but there's a very -- any prosecutor will tell you there's a big difference of a reluctant witness that can't remember a number of things because they don't want to implicate someone, and a cooperating witness when's looking to save themselves from jail time. i think it's a very different situation. >> ron, what about the possibility that the president communicates to general flynn, look, we are going to let your cases run their course, whatever happens but don't worry. in the end, there will be a pardon? >> you know, lawrence, i think that's already happened. i think that we saw over the course of the disclosures about the president's firing of jim comey that he basically told jim say, let him go.
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he's probably tweeted flynn's a good guy, a patriot. i think he is communicating that about his -- only way to communicate it more clearly is on your show and talking about it, lawrence. he is sending a message to mike flynn, part of the trump strategy here. no question about it. >> we have to leave it there for the moment. matt miller, thank you. really appreciate it. >> thank you. coming up, senator al franken is here. he is blocking a trump nominee and getting attacked for that. he's supporting bernie sanders's medicare for all bill and on the judiciary committee overseeing the investigation of the russia connections with the trump team. and, also tonight, the americans who are in danger still after hurricane irma in the u.s. virgin islands. (vo) more "doing chores for mom" per roll
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life will never be the same for a lot of people in florida and the caribbean. >> we are in shock. everything was -- you know, devastating. >> every door is gone. the roof is gone. >> mobile homes tossed over fences and demolished. >> a lot of people stranded out power, food. phone. >> virtually entire islands obliterated by the storm. >> for a place once completely green and lush, everything now looks dead and bleak.
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>> on tortola, 90% of businesses and homes gone. for some, it may be gone for good. >> i'm dealing with well over 100 people being evacuated from a nursing facility. >> today 115 evacuated in wheelchairs and stretchers in hollywood florida. >> eight residents are dead. >> at this time we're conducting a criminal investigation into the matter. >> the facility should have transferred people yesterday. >> i'm calling all of my fellow mayors for a welfare check. >> we are concerned and we need to find out what happened. >> police are investigating what led to the deaths of eight patients at a nursing home in hollywood, florida. investigators say the nursing home's air conditioning wasn't working properly after hurricane irma and the nursing home was using portable air conditioners but those portable units weren't enough to cool the nursing home. no official cause of death is
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given but they're all believed to be heat related. 158 patients at the nursing home were also evacuated to several hospitals including a hospital that was a block away. more than 3 million people are still without power in florida. today, the white house announced the president will visit the naples and ft. myers areas tomorrow. governor kenneth map of the u.s. virgin islands says the president told him he will visit the virgin islands soon to survey the federal government's response to the devastation there. at least four people were killed in the u.s. virgin islands. today, a norwegian cruise ship evacuated 2,000 stranded tourists from st. thomas. a royal caribbean cruise ship evacuated 2,000 tourists yesterday. joining us now, just back from the u.s. virgin islands, jordan holman for bloomberg. jordan, tell me, how long were you there? what did you get to see?
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st. johns, st. thomas, both of the islands? >> both islands. i just got back this morning. i was there for 36 hours. we flew in to st. croix and didn't get as much damage. but when we did get to st. john, it was this very barren, a lot of trees pulled from the roots, houses without roofs. utility poles on top of cars. >> and st. john is mostly parkland for the most part. >> yes. >>en settled. that's one town. only 10,000 people on the whole island. >> correct. >> vast stretches where no one lives on this island. but st. thomas is a thickly settled, much, much larger place. when's it like on st. thomas? >> in st. thomas, marketed for tourism so there's people there, a lot of people who work in the restaurant and hotel business for tourists so they're without jobs right now. a lot of them are without electricity.
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so it's a lot of waiting for help and aid. clean water. because they don't have running water. and then, also, because of their homes are empty, it's a safety factor. you know? they're in the dark at night with kids and elderly people, so it's just a lot of waiting and trying to figure out where to go next. >> these people are american citizens, just as the residents of puerto rico are american citizens. they think of themselves as americans. they are. they have american passports. many of them move back and forth to the united states. what do they have to say if they have a chance to say to president trump if he does make it down there? >> a lot of them just wanted to stress that they are part of the united states. you know, a lot of the coverage it felt like was on florida and what happened in texas and not so much in the caribbean. and what's happening down there. so they just want quicker federal aid and just also acknowledgment that they're going through a lot and it's going to be years long recovery. >> we talked last night to the
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congresswoman representing the islands and there's a problem of the school year is starting now. >> yes. >> the schools are wiped out. did you see any schools there that could possibly be operational any time soon? >> no. the schools were flattened. honestly, walking into the school, you see desks and what could be a school but it was all demolished. trees everywhere. and the virgin islands government is encouraging parents to send their skids to st. croix which is about a two hour ferry away so that's also another challenge that parents are facing right now. >> and then, if the kids are able to go to school in st. croix and they're not ready for this. they're a small island, itself. how can they absorb the kids from the much larger island of st. thomas? how is st. croix preparing for that? >> governor kenneth map lives in st. croix. he is a really stressing people helping out one another, people being patient. he knows it's a long recovery and just, you know, if you have
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family, a lot of people sending people to other family members or the u.s. mainland to help out with that process. >> i think there is a specific way to contribute to the virgin islands recovery. i think we have it up on the screen earlier and more of that on the website. jordan, thank you very much for joining us tonight. i appreciate it. >> thank you. coming up, senator al franken, he's holding up one of donald trump's nominees and donald trump doesn't like that and the "wall street journal" is attacking senator franken for that and why he is now in favor of medicare for all which was bernie sanders' message for democrats. >> i am just very excited about the kind of support our medicare for all legislation is receiving all across this country. mom, i just saved a lot of money on my car insurance by switching to geico. i should take a closer look at geico...
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senator al franken is in the thick in the action of washington. he has a role investigating russian influence in the trump campaign. he's a co-sponsor of senator bernie sanders's medicare for all bill introduced today in the senate making him one of several possible future candidates for president who have signed on to the bill and now the conservative "wall street journal" editorial board is attacking senator franken. you know, they're really mad at al franken when they call him a comedian. today's "wall street journal" editorial says the senate comedian is aiming to establish a new standard for what counts
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for disqualifying for the judiciary because he's blocking the confirmation to the 8th circuit u.s. court of appeals of minnesota's supreme court justice david strauss. senator franken is using a power granted to members of the judiciary committee to block the nomination of federal judges from their home states. tonight, former vice president walter mondale who is also a former democratic senator of minnesota defended al franken in a piece in "the minnesota star try bun." the former vice president wrote, the best interests of this state are not served when its senators are rubber stamps for judicial nominations. senator al franken, democrat from minnesota, a member of the senate judiciary committee, joins us now. thank you for joining us tonight. first of all, your response to
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the "wall street journal" calling you a comedian? >> i plead guilty to that. >> all right. tell us what's this fight all about? why are you blocking this judge? >> well, a life time point to the federal judiciary is very -- makes a man very powerful. judge very powerful. and they'll have make decisions involve voting rights and civil rights and clean air and clean water and voting rights. really affecting the people of minnesota. and the country. i have concerns about justice strauss because he really has a judicial philosophy that is extremely conservative. he clerked with clarence thomas. he said clarence thomas was his mentor. you know what clarence thomas' record on the supreme court is. there was no consultation here. this is something that has -- that president obama did.
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there was no appointee or nominee by the obama administration that got a hearing who didn't have both blue slips from the senators. we had no consultation. i didn't expect a -- then nominate a liberal judge but they basically said this is it. and what normally happens here and the reason for this is that if you do some consultation, you come up with a consensus person. somebody that's in the mainstream, someone that is a consensus between the democratic senators in the state and the white house, the republican white house, here and that -- those kind of consensus people create trust in the judiciary. president trump does not have any respect for the federal judiciary.
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you saw that with judge currell. he couldn't make a decision he said in a case because his parents were born in exco. in the muslim ban decision he accused the federal judge of being weak and said that if there's any terrorist attacks the blood will be on his hands. this is not something that we should in the senate, we should cede more authority to the executive branch, especially not to donald trump so i'm doing the right thing for the people of minnesota and i think the people of this nation. >> i want to talk to you about your co-sponsoring, last night co-sponsoring bernie sanders' medicare for all bill introduced in the senate today and we noticed that many of the names including harris followed by warren, booker, many of the names are the names that people
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are penciling in to the potential presidential candidate list next time around. and the name al franken is on that list in pencil, at least. is this an indicator that al franken is thinking about running for president? >> get your eraser out. >> okay. >> no. look. i believe that everyone has a right to health care. and this is a good day because a lot of democrats got behind bernie sanders medicare for all bill. and other -- you know, other -- all developed countries cover everyone in the country and by the way they do it for a lot less than we do it and they have as good or better outcomes so this is an aspirational thing. we're not going to get this. we don't have 60 votes now and we are going to right now keep our eye on what we all agree on, every democrat agreed on, we have to make the affordable care act stronger and actually a lot
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of republicans agree with that, too, including lamar alexander, the chairman of the health committee and we will have another hearing tomorrow, a fourth in a series of hearings and we are going to make the exchanges stronger. we are going to bring down the cost of premiums, bring down the co-pays and we are going to do that in a bipartisan way and that's what we need to focus on right now. >> that apparently is a subject that your senate leader chuck schumer spoke to the president tonight, spoke in that dinner he had with the president and nancy pelosi in the schumer/schumer joint statement they said we urged the president to make permanent the cost sharing reduction payments and i just want to go wfr over with you the wording of the statement after the dinner that does indicate
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that there's an agreement to drop any proposal for funding the trump wall. it's the joint statement says, we had a very productive meeting at the white house with the president. the discussion to doesed on daca, agreeing to enshrine the protections into law quickly and to work out a package of border security excludeing the wall. your reaction to that, senator? >> the daca piece of that is very heartening. there are 800,000 dreamers who are hanging on this. and many in minnesota. these are people who came to the united states as a child. their parents brought them. many, many cases, most cases, this is the only country they know. this is a very good development. and i would give the president some credit for that. i thought it was terrible that he went the way he went on this. but he did say congress should act on it and i think we should
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and i think there's bipartisan support for that. so that's very heartening. and on the wall, i believe the president during the campaign said another country was going to pay for that. and i can't remember what it was. >> oh, cut it out with that comedian stuff. "wall street journal" is on to you. >> mexico, we know that. >> we are handed somewhere here on my desk is a statement by the white house press secretary saying oh no, no, no. the president did not agree to exclude funding for the wall. so, we know what that means is he may very well have agreed to that with chuck schumer and nancy pelosi, but he's told after the fact that he cannot agree to that and so now the white house is putting out a statement saying he cannot agree to that. >> i was going to end and saying about what we heard was, just remember this is president trump. >> yes. yes. >> so, you can't necessarily
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bank on something that he's saying one moment that will hold true the next. but i don't think there's -- with these terrible hurricanes and the loss of life and the costs of those, i don't think there's any appetite in congress to be paying for a wall that mexico is supposed to pay for. >> there's a lot of pulling to be done in this country and u.s. virgin islands at government expense, the building for the wall is a hard one to fit into the budget. >> absolutely. >> senator al franken, thank you very much for joining us tonight. really appreciate it. >> thank you, lawrence. coming up, another strange night at the white house. president trump has dinner with chuck schumer and nancy pelosi. and appears to have completely surrendered to them on the trump wall. or did he? you know who likes to be
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(baby crying) ♪ fly ♪ me to the moon (elegant music) ♪ and let me play (bell rings) tonight, chuck schumer and nancy pelosi report striking a deal of sorts with donald trump. at dinner, at the white house, but now the white house is disputing at least part of that deal. president trump has been falsely reported to have made a deal with chuck schumer and nancy pelosi to extend the debt ceiling and fund the government for three months. the false part of the report is that it was a deal. it was a surrender by donald trump. he did not make a deal. he simply accepted what chuck schumer and nancy pelosi offered.
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that's not a deal. if you walk into mcdonald's and the price of a big mac is $5.30 and you buy it for $5.30, you did not make a deal on a big mac. if you buy it for five bucks then maybe you made a deal. there's a word in washington for what happened in donald trump's meeting with chuck summer and nancy pelosi. and mitch mcconnell and paul ryan about the debt ceiling and the budget. and that term is rolled. donald trump got rolled by chuck summer and nancy pelosi. that's what they call it in washington when you go into a meeting with the other side and the other side gets everything they want and you get nothing. donald trump had another meeting with the other side tonight inviting chuck summer and nancy pelosi to dinner at the white house without their republican counterparts, mcconnell and paul ryan. the most conservative right wing president in history with no
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history in government meets with liberal nancy pelosi and liberal chuck schumer with decades of experience in government. and now we have duelling statements from chuck schumer and nancy pelosi versus white house spokesperson about what actually happened during that dinner. that's next.
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here's what chuck schumer and nancy pelosi said in a joint statement tonight about their dinner with donald trump at the white house. we had a very productive meeting at the white house with the president. the discussion focused on daca. we agreed to enshrine the protections of daca into law quickly and to work out a package of border security excludeing the wall. that's acceptable to both sides. joining us now, jonathan capeheart for "the washington post" and back with us ron clain. and the amendment to this, jonathan, comes from white house press secretary sarah sanders tweeting, while daca and border security were both discussed excludeing the wall was certainly not agreed to. who are we going to believe? >> well, i mean, the white house has no credibility when it comes to like believing anything that comes out of there. but it's interesting that that comes out because when the news
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broke that there was a deal on daca and other things with no mention of the wall and that it was another chuck and nancy deal, part of me wondered, wait, are they trying to jam the president to ensure that he does do a deal on daca that also doesn't include the border wall? i wonder if this is some very, like, superb chuck schumer/nancy pelosi negotiating in public. because now the white house is now on the defensive trying to defend -- trying to say, no, no, no. we are going to do the border wall. but are they really? >> ron, in my ron, in my experi experienced players like schumer and pelosi, do not mischaracterize what is actually said because they want to continue to have credible meetings with their counter parts in government. and so to jonathan's point of wouldn't it be smart for them to say this even if trump maybe did that specifically agree to it,
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my reading of it based on these players is that trump did agree to this at the table. and now after the dinner and after that statement came up from schumer and pelosi, everybody in the white house is telling him you've got to run away from this. >> just more evidence that the white house staff can't leave president trump unsupervised. i absolutely believe chuck schumer, nancy pelosi, they're not going to say the president agreed to something unless hew agreed to them. it took only 17 minutes until sarah sanders put out a statement saying no, no, no. now the white house has no credibility. the president has backed off that. i think the other thing, lawrence, we're going to have to dig into is what exactly was agreed to for the d.r.e.a.m.ers. did the president support the d.r.e.a.m. act?
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so there's a lot of questions unanswered tonight. the one thing we know for sure is once again you put two experienced people in the room with donald trump and he's not going to come out of that in good shape. >> and president did not go directly to bed after dinner. and i know that because i'm reading too tweets now that he has tweeted. and they're completely unrelated. one says china has a business tax rate of 15%. we should do everything possible to match them in order to win our economy, jobs and wages. and thert ocrooked hillary clinton blames everybody and everything. the reason this is relevant is donald trump has the twitter regime right there in his hands. he can back up sarah sanders tweet right now and say chuck and nancy are lying, i never agreed to this wall thing. >> you're absolutely right. he could do that. and in fact you remind me that president trump, we've seen this
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pattern before, where people will say something like chuck and nancy are doing, he agreed to daca, agreed to this, no border wall. and then the administration says oh, my god, what have you done, but the die is cast. we know what's happening. we saw what happened when the original daca thing happened. sessions goes out there, makes this announcement and then the president goes and tweets and says i'll revisit if congress doesn't do it. but if the president really didn't agree to the border wall, mr. president, i'm assuming you might be watching, now is the time to do what lawrence says is tweet it out saying, no, absolutely sarah sanders is right. i'm waiting. >> okay, would you monitor that for us? so, ron, let's just assume for the moment within the next 24 hours trump himself tweets something about not agreeing.
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and i'm told in my ear he just tweeted again, this one's not about the border wall. okay, great you can get of that. okay, ron, let's say he eventually gets around to tweeting, no, i didn't make it about the wall. what nancy pelosi and chuck schumer saw tonight is how easy it is to get this president to cave, to completely surrender. and they know no matter how tough he might want to pretend to play on the porder wall in the future, he is not tough and doesn't know how to play tough in the white house. >> well, that's true, lawrence. but it's a problem if president trump takes this back. because the only hope he has left of saving his presidency is an art of it deal presidency. and if he looks the two democratic senators in the eye and thought it was chinese food because he thought it was chinese trade and tries to take that back tonight, who will he deal with?
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he's flamed out relationships. he made this one successful deal with chuck and nancy. he made a deal tonight. he's going to have to honor that deal. >> i don't think there's anyone in the white house who's saying to him you have to honor what you said at this dinner tonight. >> yeah, and what's interesting here is we're lotting this deal or whatever it is, but we're not talking about the very people who are going to have to make sure that the deal is honored. and that is house speaker paul ryan and senate majority leader mitch mcconnell. where are on they on this, and what are they going to say? and especially for speaker ryan, how on ether is he going to get his raucous caucus to pass a bill that would honor this deal? >> and ron, what we know within the culture of the congress is that paul ryan tonight is feeling absolutely no obligation to lift a finger to anything that was discussed where he was
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not present. >> that's true, lawrence. but i would say this. pall lawrence has reported this week to told reporters, that even he thinks the wall is stupid. unless donald trump has a plan to ban ladders in north america, the wall is not going to work. so maybe this is an opportunity for them to finally bury the wall idea. we've got a need to rebuild from these disasters. spending $20 billion on a wall is just nuts. >> thank you both for joining us. tonight's "last word" is next. . ...that's heard throughout the connected business world. at&t network security helps protect business, from the largest financial markets to the smallest transactions, by sensing cyber-attacks in near real time
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remember on sunday night when steve bannon told charlie rose on 60 minutes, he would be loyal to donald trump forever, he would protect donald trump forever because steve bannon is like the most loyal guy in the world? it took us all the way to now, wednesday night, for steve bannon to turn on donald trump. steve bannon's breitbart tonight is running this headline. amnesty don. trump cams on daca. and amnesty's reporting is based on chuck schumer and nancy pelosi's dinner as reported by chuck schumer and nancy pelosi, they are breitbart sources on
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amnesty don caving on daca. amnesty, don, that's tonight's "last word." "the 11th hour" with brian williams is next. tonight michael g flynn, the son of the fired national security adviser now a subject in the russia investigation and it certainly looks like robert mueller is applying pressure. plus, breaking tonight, chuck, nancy and donald have dinner at the white house and to listen to the democrats, schumer and pelosi, they got a lot of assurances from the president as the 11th hour gets under way right now. >> well, good evening to you once again from our nbc news headquarters here in new york. we have suddenly a lot of news breaking right now. we'll get to all of it, and we want to take a moment here before our political coverage to talk about this h